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      Spanish Homes legalised (maybe)

      The Junta de Andalucía appears to be throwing in the trowel, I mean towel, over the region's 'illegal homes'. The Voz de Almería carried an article yesterday about the solution being proposed in Arboleas by fellow-party PSOE mayor José García which will legalize around 95% of the houses in that area - with some responsibilities being placed on the owners - namely, to pay for urbanization costs... Today's Voz continues in a similar vein - the J of A secretary for Public Works and Homes, Josefina Cruz Villalón, says that the Junta will pass a law after the summer 'to regularize homes in non-urban areas, not a legalization, but a recognition'. I know, that's why she went into politics, no one at home could understand her either. 'We can't leave these homeowners in a limbo', she added thoughtfully, 'so we have to provide an acceptable answer'. She proposes that homeowners should be able to claim electric and water connections, and pay locally-agreed urbanization costs. Her comments were made in another trouble spot, the Axarquía region in Málaga, where there are some 12,000 'illegal homes'. El Mundo reports that there, a suspiciously exact 86.5% of these homes can be regularized. Her final comment - 'not everything can be legalized, some will be demolished'.

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      Spanish councillor tells expats they are 'responsible' for illegal houses

      British Expat victims of urban corruption in Spain have expressed outrage at comments made by a member of government who referred to them as 'a group of people who have settled illegally in our territory...who are now demanding us to solve a problem that they have been responsible for creating'.

      The comments were made by Josefina Cruz Villalón, a public works and housing councillor for the Andalucian regional government, when asked by a planning spokesperson for the opposition how she planned to deal with the problem of illegally-built homes in the Almanzora Valley in Almeria.

      12,697 "irregular" constructions have been identified in the Almanzora Valley, the majority belonging to British expats.

      Maura Hillen, president of Abusos Urbanisticos Almanzora NO (AUAN), a home-owners association composed mainly of British residents, said: "That's all we need; for the victims who have been mistreated by the planning and real estate system to be attacked. On top of being insulted, we are vilified.

      "Where was the regional government when the houses were being built. Why wasn't it stopped then?


      "12,697 illegal buildings in the Almanzora Valley and nobody noticed? These houses didn't pop up like mushrooms overnight."


      920 of these homes were found on specially protected land, were less than four years old or were incomplete and have been earmarked for demolition.

      The remaining 11,777 homes will be subject to a special decree, currently being worked on by government officials, to define a uniform set of procedures that would allow them to be granted an occupation license and obtain access to services in a manner described as "self-sufficient", making it clear that public funds will not be used to resolve the situation.

      Maura Hillen continued: "And how many people will be made homeless and lose their life savings if 920 houses are demolished to 'restore order'?

      "A conservative calculation would put the financial losses in the order of 90 million euros. Who's going to compensate those who bought in good faith? The Junta? The town halls?"

      A recent poll on behalf of Spain's national newspaper El País has shown that Villalón's Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE) are 12.3 points behind main opposition party El Partido Popular (PP) and would lose next year's autonomous elections and their 30 year hold on Andalucia if the electoral mood stays the same.

      Maura Hillen concluded: "Villalón's comments have done her PSOE party no favours when you consider she has offended the expat homeowners who now represent a significant proportion of the electorate in this region."

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      We have watched several programmes over the years over poor ex-pats having their houses demolished even when they have done everything right, their solicitors did the checks and the paperwork showed that the houses were built on proper land and then it turned out that this wasn't the case and they had their homes bulldozed and they lost all their money. Also the amount of shady deals not discovered by solicitors when doing the checks has been alarming and we were thin king about buying a property in Spain because we love it there, but the bad publicity just put the fear of god into us and we just can't trust Spain to do the right and proper thing, i know most have had no problems, but it put the frightners on us. Its not just Spain, it happens other places, my sister was buying a 5 bedroomed villa in Florida and she lost her £50k deposit, because the company went bust on that site, but they stayed afloat as a company and were building elsewhere, it sounds rediculous, but other countries don't have the same standards as the uk.

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      Its funny aint it the EU put pressure on the Uk to change rulesand regs to fall in line with European buracracy yet let this happen to innocent victims, truly amazing
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      Quote Originally Posted by RobWilliams View Post
      British Expat victims of urban corruption in Spain have expressed outrage at comments made by a member of government who referred to them as 'a group of people who have settled illegally in our territory...who are now demanding us to solve a problem that they have been responsible for creating'.

      The comments were made by Josefina Cruz Villalón, a public works and housing councillor for the Andalucian regional government, when asked by a planning spokesperson for the opposition how she planned to deal with the problem of illegally-built homes in the Almanzora Valley in Almeria. . .
      As a follow up to this, 12 Britons who own illegally built homes in the Valley and who belong to the organisation Abusos Urbanisticos Almanzora No(AUAN), campaigning for the legalisation of property in the region, are now collectively suing the councillor for alleged discrimination under Article 510.2 of the Spanish criminal code.
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      Part of the reasons why the economic disaster that Spain is suffering is due to the bad publicity from the land grab and legal, then illegal homes being built and demolished, the Spanish government sat on their hands and buried their heads........... ignoring the plight of thousands of innocent foriegners, who were robbed and now............... whole building sites have been abandonded and the housing market has crashed. Its not the main reason why Spain is in dire straits, but............ it sure hasn't helped. We looked, we liked............ we were put off with all the scandals........... many thousands were like us.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hoff to Oz View Post
      . Its not just Spain, it happens other places, my sister was buying a 5 bedroomed villa in Florida and she lost her £50k deposit, because the company went bust on that site, but they stayed afloat as a company and were building elsewhere, it sounds rediculous, but other countries don't have the same standards as the uk.[/B]

      Interesting. How long ago was that, Hoff?

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      Quote Originally Posted by RobWilliams View Post
      As a follow up to this, 12 Britons who own illegally built homes in the Valley and who belong to the organisation Abusos Urbanisticos Almanzora No(AUAN), campaigning for the legalisation of property in the region, are now collectively suing the councillor for alleged discrimination under Article 510.2 of the Spanish criminal code.

      A Spanish appeal court has dismissed a case brought by British expats against a government minister accused of defamation.

      The appeal was brought before the Superior Court of Justice after expats took offence at comments made by the Andalucian government's public works and planning minister Josefina Cruz.

      The Superior Court upheld the earlier decision of the Supreme Court and ruled that Josefina Cruz had not denigrated a group of people for being British, which would have been a crime, but had instead criticised people who had knowingly bought illegal houses.

      It was deemed "not relevant in a criminal sense that the words could be interpreted by public opinion as discrediting the British community in the area."

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      Well in Greece its the same thing, I really don't get it. Its like the State saying ''its alright'' built it illegally and after some time you can just pay a big fine and anything will be ok !! '' You are rich ? You can now built wherever you want regardless if you destroyed the nature etc etc . It is so provoking !!
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      I watched a story on one of the scandal Daily Mail type shows last night, I usually avoid them like the plague but this segment made me listen so I left it on. It was in Wollongong and a developer was building a shopping mall, they built is slap bang next to houses and put up 10 metre high concrete walls 2 metres from some houses so they were literally looking out onto concrete. The developer went bust and then the whole of Wollongong Council was sacked for 'systematic corruption' including basically allowing developers to ignore building codes. A new developer took the project over and was allowed to continue with the project even though it didn't meet building codes and the house owners were given 'compensation'. Where big money is involved rules get bent.





      Disclaimer : This could happen anywhere in the world including the UK.
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