Thread: Electrical Assistance 4 Australia

Hello Folks, I'm Arthur from Melbourne, if anybody requires any help what to do when applying for there ARTC, meaning what evidence you need to supply on applying. also i can supply info on the best & easiest way in obtaining the A class license for sparks coming to Australia.


Regards

Arthur

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Welcome to B-A Arthur & thanks, it's always nice to get help when applying for anything.

This is for people migrating who are in the Electrical Trade
To who it may concern on this site.
I spoke to the main person at PEER Training on 3-6-2009, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.

If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.

To Gain the Electrical Mechanic ARTC
1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC Electrical Mechanic, end of story.

You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.

This system lets you apply to sit the Unrestricted Electrical License when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that’s the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
Both ARTC & vatessess now have the system where you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
With the Vatessess You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.
This means you can still do the A class exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students.
For people who get the Cert of Electrical Mechanic & General Electrician, Electrical Fitter can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC.

People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a Unrestricted Electrical License until you have done this logbook you only get a ”Restricted license” meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.
This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the Unrestricted Electrical License transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months if your living in QLD
Problems are

lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.
As I say I got this from the main man on Friday 03-6-2009 from PEER S/A
I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information
When you do the application you must have all documents signed & dated then the documents become a legal document make lots of copies make sure all is correct or the application shall be returned to you with little info stating why or what the problem may be from the migration dept.

It’s” illegal” to work in any state across Australia without the Unrestricted Electrical License, NO insurance company would touch a claim if anything was to go wrong.

Then if you intend to work for yourself after obtaining the Unrestricted Electrical License you can n go to the nearest Tafe (College) and do a 12 week x 1 night per week doing a Business course.
That’s in Melbourne other states shall change i can tell you that.

When you have passed this course then you must obtain Insurance. It’s become normal now for Indemnity cover of $10,000,000 (Ten Million) dollars insurance cover.
Then you can quote for jobs in a legal capacity as I say this is only if you intend to be working for yourself, if you work for a company then all you require is the A class license.
If you intend to setup your own company & you have the Unrestricted Electrical License every job you do for any customer you must supply that customer with a COES (Certificate of Electrical Safety) one copy direct to the customer one copy to Energy Safe the other copy you keep for 7 years. Most installations are now being audited to about 30% in all states.

Getting the ATRC or ART or Vatessess may seem to be the easy part once your here this is exactly what must be achieved to work as a fully licensed electrician in Australia.
Most Migration “Agents” (That’s a laugh) do NOT inform people about the information above you pay them your money then that’s your lot you’re on your own when you get here.
I hope this information is of some value to any people who may be applying for migration.
Myself I try to help people around Melbourne, there is another person on British Ex Pats who lives in QLD his name on the site is Steve’O he is fantastic and very switched on he is also available for assistance with information for the migration process.
The duration of the Unrestricted Electrical License is 3 years it’s your responsibility to renew the license you get a renewal reminder then that's all if you DON'T renew you must sit all exams again.
The duration of the Contractors course in Melbourne is about 12 weeks x one night per week

Cost of A class license about $270.00 per 5 years
Electrical Contractors course Now has become Small Business Course in S/A cost $1,160.00 to date 27/5/2009 one payment only. The course 2 x modules 1st Legal requirements + 2nd financial costing & planning the course is completed over three Sundays at PEER total duration of the course = 60 hours inclusive of projects completed at home. (Most of the work is achieved at home)
Cost of Contractors license about $300.00 per year.
Cost of Insurance depends on how much cover you require I have $10,000,000 (Ten Million) costing $500.00 per year.
There is also a Basic Safety induction course x 6 hour done in 1 day $80.00 at PEER
The original Certificate was the Green card now it’s become the White card.
This card is recognised Australia wide, most sites shall require you to hold this card or you may NOT be allowed on site to work.??


A bit more info Regarding Licensing for Electricians
http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/assets/fil...heet_oseas.pdf
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Trade Recognition Australia (TRA)
If you are a qualified electrical tradesperson from a country other than those recognised by VETASSESS, you can obtain an Australian Recognised Trade Certificate (ARTCs) from Trade Recognition Australia to assist in your application for a restricted electrical workers registration. TRA will assess your current qualifications/experience and technical skills and list the units of competency that you have completed on the ARTC.
Once you have been issued with an Australian Recognised Trade Certificate, you may then make an application for a workers registration with our office.
If you are recognised as an Electrician, Electrical Fitter or Electrical Mechanic, you may apply for a restricted registration with the condition: any electrical work under the supervision of a registered electrical worker.
To have this limitation removed or to apply for an unrestricted registration, you will also be required to provide evidence of completion of the approved AS/NZS 3000:2007 Wiring Rules course and exam.

To obtain your unrestricted Electrical licence you will need an appropriate Certificate recognising your skills eg ARTC,ART,VETASSESS or similar you will also need to complete what’s known as the gap training of approximately 160 hours
Over a period of 12 months with No Breaks in employment
To complete the process you will need to be employed, carry a work place log and have a restricted electrical licence (fees for the licence are in the area of $300.00 dollars)
For further information on the AS/NZS 3000:2007 Wiring Rules course and exam you may wish to contact either of the following organisations:
Regency Institute of TAFE (08) 8348 4426
PEER Tec (08) 8348 1200

Regards & Best of luck with your applications, if you require help just ask
Arthur Quinn Melbourne
(PS) If you don’t pay the licenses or insurance, you’re unable to work in a legal capacity anywhere in Australia.

Hi No1.
Always good to get some pointers from someone who knows. I’ve been reading your information, and have a few questions. First let me give you a little background info.
I’m a UK electrician and I arrived in Brisbane about a month ago. After being pointed down many different routes I was recently told about the info that you had provided on this site. I found that the 1st step was to try and get an ARTC. I have filled in the form required and submitted it to the TRA (with all of the information and documentation, that I submitted to them 18 months ago as part of my Visa application). I am currently waiting for the outcome of that application.
I didn’t go through Vetassess in the UK, as my application was lodged just as Vetassess were starting to get involved with the assessment process.
Now to my questions.
1. If I get an ARTC from the TRA, who’s office (that was mentioned in the info you provided) can you apply to for a “Restricted Registration”?
2. To get the “Unrestricted Registration”, I will need to complete the AS/NZS 3000:2007 course. Is this part of what PEER are offering OR are they only offering the tuition required to sit the exam for the “Unrestricted Licence”?
3. Any ideas as to the quickest route to complete the AS/NZS 3000:2007 course, if PEER don’t do it?
It gets confusing when talking about Restricted / Unrestricted Registration and Restricted / Unrestricted Licencing.
Any clarification or elaboration, would be greatly appreciated as the correct information, and order of completing these items, looks to be very important.
Cheers Mate, Taff.

Taff;6773

lets clear some things mate do you have the ARTC at all, if so your on a winner mate, i wont bore you with ****e details if you have the ARTC then i can assure you the quickest way is Via PEER, can you please confirm if you have the ARTC if so then email me at home.

i can then make a call to the right person for the A class license all done & dusted in 2 days its all done at PEER in S/A

Arthur

Hello there all.
I'm a 28 year old electrician heading out to oz around July/Aug time.
I plan to do some work out there and would like to keep working in my trade.
I have read alot of stuff about sparks emigrating to oz what they need to do but what about temp folk like myself.
Will I just have to be a sparks mate?
If I like it in oz i hope to emigrate but just wanna test the water for a year 1st.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanx

if you don't have the unrestricted license you probably wont get any work at all.

there are NO sparkies mates in Australia, No License then all work is illegal & any insurance conpany would not pay out if theres a problem & believe me there are lots of **** sparks here mostly Australian

Hello Arthur, My name is Iain and I am currently residing in Karratha in north WA. I am a fully qualified electrician in the u.k and am looking to change these qualifications to Australian to work here. Can you please tell me what i need and how i go about getting it please. Any help would be welcome as it seems difficult to get any advice on the issue out here.

many thanks,

iain

Ian,
1st you apply for migration via Vetassess from the UK & if all is ok with your application your invited for a trade test in the UK, when that's done & you pass your medicals at the end of the migration process you migrate to the state you intent to live in.
when here your not allowed to work without supervision so you apply for a restricted license from energy safe in the state your going to live. then you apply to the TRA for a certificate or recognition for your current UK skills. there are only 2 certs 1st is electrical fitter then 2nd is electrical mechanic it seems the mechanic is the best one to go for why i don't know. but the fitters cert can be restricting to say the least this unfortunately is awarded to maintenance sparks. the mechanic is mainly for people doing installation work this makes a massive difference when doing the Australian top up courses & then the Australian exams for the full license, so depending on what state your going to live in makes all the difference sorry to say.

in most states you can expect to wait for the best part of 12 months trying to get on some pre electrical courses then you must take the state electrical exams a real downer to say the least mate.

Originally Posted by iain doherty

Hello Arthur, My name is Iain and I am currently residing in Karratha in north WA. I am a fully qualified electrician in the u.k and am looking to change these qualifications to Australian to work here. Can you please tell me what i need and how i go about getting it please. Any help would be welcome as it seems difficult to get any advice on the issue out here.

many thanks,

iain

Hi me, my wife and 3 children are starting the process of looking into going over to australia to live. Possibbly looking brisbaine way or alternatively also looking western australia (any advice on area?) I'm an electrician whos 30 and have nvq level 4 and 10 years experience in domestic, industrial and commercial work. I would like to try and come over with a sponsorship and am looking into getting all my australian equivilant in england (as much of it that can be done here anyway) and all info would be appreciated. Can you look at trying to get a sponsorship whilst still going through the process of changing your qualifications over? Where do you start?! Thanks for any help, much appreciated